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arnansnow · Jun 20, 2005, 07:52 PM // 19:52

why do you use a melee weapon as a ranger, sure you can use warrior skills with it, but then, why are you not a W/R instead? you can still use ranger skills, but you will have more life and armor.

Epinephrine · Jun 20, 2005, 08:06 PM // 20:06

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Originally Posted by arnansnow

why do you use a melee weapon as a ranger, sure you can use warrior skills with it, but then, why are you not a W/R instead? you can still use ranger skills, but you will have more life and armor.

Ok, you are off on a tangent, but you do that to take advantage of the fact that expertise subtracts from the costs of warrior attack skills. You also have better armour vs elemental damage, more energy and energy regeneration. A ranger can spam warrior attack skills all day and not run out - a warrior can't afford to use a 5 energy skill every 4 seconds, a ranger makes it cost 2 energy and can support it indefinitely on his 3 pips.

Takkun · Jun 20, 2005, 09:57 PM // 21:57

Ehe whips... I like that idea personally, since I loved using them in Nevewrwinter Nights.

I also think that there should be another weapon choice for the Rangers since all the other profession have two different types of weapons also since they can use canes and staves and wands and such....

arnansnow · Jun 20, 2005, 09:58 PM // 21:58

another weapon for rangers could be a crossbow, like a bow only weaker and one-handed (just an idea)

Jwh6913 · Jun 20, 2005, 10:15 PM // 22:15

whips would work, wilderness could have like a plant like wand that shoots green balls, plant foci, and beastmastery could have whips indy jones style, with animal items as foci. gives minotaur horns a new purpose

arnansnow · Jun 20, 2005, 10:16 PM // 22:16

you know the person who said the original whip thing was being sarcastic?

Jwh6913 · Jun 20, 2005, 10:19 PM // 22:19

yeah so? try coming up with beastmastery weapons! claws?

arnansnow · Jun 20, 2005, 10:22 PM // 22:22

beastmastery is whip (so you can whip your animal in shape)

Jwh6913 · Jun 20, 2005, 10:25 PM // 22:25

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Originally Posted by arnansnow

you know the person who said the original whip thing was being sarcastic?

then why did you say this then?

arnansnow · Jun 20, 2005, 10:27 PM // 22:27

Couldn't think of a better way of making sarcasm, i guess

Jwh6913 · Jun 20, 2005, 10:28 PM // 22:28

lol

ok

Beqxter · Jun 20, 2005, 10:42 PM // 22:42

Yeah, he was joking, but it's still an interesting suggestion. Whips as in Indy Jones would be cool, but (purely from a RP point of view) it doesn't seem like whips are in style with BM. It's all about charming and befriending the animal, not whipping them around.

That said, I could see fun uses for a whip as an offensive weapon. Maybe an elite skill disarming an opponent?

And, as a ranger, I'd love to have more options than a bow for an offensive weapon. I think staves makes perfect sense (think Robin Hood). Darts, as has been suggested elsewhere, make sense for another ranged weapon.

Jwh6913 · Jun 20, 2005, 10:47 PM // 22:47

but the animal itself won't be whipped, the mobs would :P
quarterstaves are good, but a tad difficult since rangers aren't made for melee combat

maybe remedy that with giving the quarter staves a certain distance- something like 6 to 10 feet long.

arnansnow · Jun 20, 2005, 10:49 PM // 22:49

whips are for training stuff, or would you rather just hold a collar as a beastmaster?

Canook · Jun 20, 2005, 11:30 PM // 23:30

throwing stars

King of Fools · Jun 20, 2005, 11:43 PM // 23:43

agree. 1 hand spears with shields, 2 handed staff, dual wield wooden staves, trident and net, thrown weapons, and others; all would fit in well with traditional and fictional potrayals of rangers.

currently, rangers have to depend on their secondary for their non-bow weapons. i think this works out well.

the main issue that original poster addresses is the lack of items that correspond to ranger attributes.
adding
'grim cesta of the pack 7-12(requires beastmastery 3) 10% chance to reduce recast timer on beastmastery skills'
would definately help non-marksmanship rangers.

arnansnow · Jun 20, 2005, 11:48 PM // 23:48

cesta? what decent ranger uses a cesta, a whip at least.

Barraind · Jun 21, 2005, 03:58 AM // 03:58

A whip does sound somewhat interesting, but it seems like throwing axes/knives would fit in better.

If a ranger can carry around eleventybillion arrows, im sure they would be plenty easy to carry around, plus the ranger would get to keep their ranged damage thing.

IxChel · Jun 21, 2005, 02:58 PM // 14:58

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Originally Posted by Barraind

A whip does sound somewhat interesting, but it seems like throwing axes/knives would fit in better.

I really don't care _what_ the weapons are. Wands are already implemented, hence this is what I was suggesting. What I do care about is that my wilderness ranger has some better weapon/focus options. The current situation leaves a very resonable druid/beastmaster build like:

Wilderness 11
Expertise 10
Beast Mastery 10

Without any way to get a 'max damage' weapon or higher energy.

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arnansnow: Welcome to my ignore list; your comments are numerous, unthoughtful, and in general, simply a waste of time.

arnansnow · Jun 21, 2005, 03:02 PM // 15:02

If you don't want to use Marksmanship, be a different primary, and be a ranger secondary, so you can use wilderness and beast mastery and use a close range/far range max damage weapon from your primary.